Last night I watched the Yankees vs. Red Sox ALCS playoff game, including the pre-game on FOX. I enjoyed the Nomar, Goat Curse, and Bartman parody - it was pretty funny. But what really irked me about the pre-game was the intro just before the game started where they equated the Yankees as the "Evil Empire". Hey, don't call my beloved Yankees the Evil Empire when in fact the Boston Red Sox are the "Evil Empire", which I will prove as fact in just a moment.
First off, let me say that I always root for the "good guys". Exhibit A: When growing up, I watched the WWF and always rooted for the good guys, including Hulk Hogan, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, Ricky Steamboat, and Tino Santana. I hated the evil bad guys, including Rowdy Roddy Piper (though later on when he became a good guy I liked him). In the late 1990's, something strange happened in the wrestling world, specifically in the WCW - the bad guys became more popular than the good guys. People cheered the NWO (New World Order) and rooted for the bad guys. I just couldn't do it - I always like to see good triumph over evil. I also liked goody-too shoe heroes like Superman over "darker" heroes such as Batman. So to say I am rooting for something evil just really stuck in my craw, even if it was in jest. Well, this brings me to my list of reasons why the Red Sox are the Evil Empire:
| Reason | Explanation | Who is the Evil Empire? Yankees or Red Sox | ||
| 1) In the end, Good always triumphs over Evil. | Yankees - 26 World Championships since 1918 Red Sox - 0 | Red Sox | ||
| 2) The Curse of Babe Ruth | The Red Sox trade Babe Ruth to the Yankees setting in motion a curse that plagues the Red Sox to this very day | Red Sox | ||
| 3) The Curse of the letter "b" | Babe, Bucky Dent, Buckner, Boone, Byung-Hyun - all cause Boston (another word starting with the letter "b") to lose. I think we will be adding Bernie to that list before all is said and done. He had a key double last night that put on a couple of insurance runs, but I expect more from Bernie. The curse of the "B" will be passed on from Babe Ruth to Bucky to Boone to Bernie. | Red Sox | ||
| 4) The Empire is trying to implement a New World Order with a single mind-set and very little diversity. Just look at the "white" armored Storm Troopers that all look alike. | NYC - the most diverse group of people anywhere in the world with very diverse opinions and sport affiliations (Mets vs. Yankees, Giants, Knicks) - a true melting pot consisting of every nationality, race, and color in the world.Boston - Well, Boston doesn't have any Storm Troopers, but unlike most large cities, the city is predominantly "white" (Storm Troopers?) with very little diversity as compared to other large cities. Similarly, the Red Sox over the years (until recently) has been dominated by white players. Here's a quote from an MSNBC article titled "Debunking the Curse of the Bambino" : If the Red Sox fail to win a World Series again this year, blame the club’s long record of postseason futility on poor personnel decisions or a reluctance by previous owners to employ African Americans even long after Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier. Similarly, until recently, the Boston Celtics drafted and had more white players than any other NBA team. I guess this must be a Boston thing. In Boston it is a requirement that you root for an preach the Red Sox religion. It is a cult that if you do not join you will be ostracized. You can be a Patriots fan, but only part-time since that is a distraction from the true cause. This is the same as the Evil Empire where you either join their following or suffer the consequences. | Red Sox | ||
| 5) Yogi Berra - a past Yankee catcher and Yankee Legend | Yogi - Pretty close to "Yoda" - the good guy Jedi master | Red Sox | ||
| 6) Further, look at Yogi and Posada | combine the first two letters of Yogi, a past catcher, with the the last two letters of the current Yankees catcher Posada and you get Yoda. Try that with any Boston legend with any current player. | Red Sox | ||
| 7) 2003 Red Sox almost entire team shaves heads in hopes of showing "unity" and spirit | Wasn't Darth Vader bald underneath his helmet? | Red Sox | ||
| 8) Yankees vs. Confederates | In the Civil War the Yankees (what Southerners terms Northerners) defeated the Confederates thus ending slavery | I won't say Red Sox are the Evil Empire because of this, but the Yankees earn "not being the Evil Empire" points for saving the American Union and ending slavery | ||
| 9) Yankees in World War I and World War II | The British, French, Germans, indeed all of Europe called Americans "Yankees" or "Yanks" for short. If I recall correctly, in WWII Winston Churchill said something to the effect of, "Thank God the Yanks are coming". Similarly, all of Europe breathed a sigh of relief when America entered WWII - they knew freedom was on the march and would be coming soon. From this site: Military.com - One thing the GIs had to get used to was constantly being addressed as "Yank." Occasionally the word was lengthened to Yankee. No matter if the soldier was from the depths of Alabama -- to the British, he was still a Yank. A middle-aged woman stopped a GI who was visiting Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, in the early part of 1942, before American uniforms became a familiar sight, and asked, "Excuse me, are you a Yankee? Or a Canadian?" For a moment, the amused GI thought she was going to say, "a Yankee or a Confederate?" So hey, if you want to call me a Yankee, by all means - it's just as good as calling me an American, and I'm damn proud of both! | More "not being the Evil Empire" points to the Yankees. | ||
| 10) Yankee vs. Red Sox home colors | Yankees - blue and white. Interpretation/Symbolism - Well, the sky/heavens are blue and the clouds are white. The Yankees are always reaching for the heavens, striving to reach the pinnacle of success and indeed they have reached the Heaven of baseball many times by winning 26 World Championships. And of course only good things can from from Heaven, therefore the Yankees cannot be evil. Also, their uniforms also have 2 out of the 3 colors of the American flag. And every once in awhile, a Yankee spills some blood on their uniform thus resulting in 3 out of 3 colors of the American flag. Very patriotic to be a Yankee, especially in this era of terrorism. Red Sox - red and white. Interpretation/Symbolism - When I think of the color red I think of two things - blood and hell. Sure, one could argue that the Red Sox have spilt their blood on the field to try and win a championship. No one can argue that over the years they have shown some heart (another symbol of red). But they have always fallen short. When I think of the red in "Red Sox", I think of the blood, sweat, and tears that the Red Sox Nation has spent -- all for naught, causing them to live in a "white hot hell" for 86 years and counting. Yes, the Red Sox's home is in HELL, which is why they are the Evil Empire. | Red Sox | ||
| 11) Yankee ticket prices vs. Red Sox ticket prices | Yankee tickets are more expensive than Red Sox tickets, which one could term capitalistic evil. However, the Yankees have to have high ticket prices so they can reward their heroes - the Yankee players - that have built a baseball dynasty going back to 1996. They are the champions and representatives of American baseball all over the world. We are willing to reward our heroes, just like we're willing to pay and reward our armed forces, and provide body armor via a $87 billion supplemental bill that Kerry voted against before he voted for it. Oh wait, never mind, that's a different debate. Sorry, I must have gotten carried away. UPDATE: I was pointed out that the Red Sox actually have the highest average ticket prices, so I guess the Red Sox are the capitalistic "evil" ones. You mean to tell me they charge more money for tickets than the Yankees and their payroll is less than the Yankees? According to numbers compiled by Forbes magazine, the Red Sox had $98 million in gate receipts in 2002, topping the Yankees, which brought in $96 million at the gate. So the Red Sox in theory could have the highest payroll in baseball, but their organization does not have the will or desire to win that George Steinbrenner has. Or it could be all that revenue from the YES network, and Yankee merchandising. If Bostonians are itching that badly to beat the Yankees, maybe Bostonians should implement a "Beat the Yankees tax" that is used to subsidize their players to match the Yankees payroll? | Draw | ||
| 12) Kerry - "If I had to choose between the Red Sox winning or winning the presidency, I'd have to choose the presidency:" | I guess Kerry is not your typical die-hard Red Sox fan. I wonder what NY Yankee super-fan Rudy Giuliani would say if he were running for the presidency? | Neither/Draw | ||
| 13) God Bless America | Per Steinbrenner, every 7th inning stretch since Sept 11th, Yankee Stadium will sing 'God Bless America' I know of no such rule in Boston's Fenway Park. Love Steinbrenner or hate em' you gotta love his patriotism! | Red Sox | ||
14)  Chewbacca vs.  Red Sox's hairy dudes | Chewbacca is one hairy dude, just like many in the the Red Sox lineup, especially Matt Damon, err. I mean Johnny Damon. Now who lost the "chess" match between Chewbacca and the hairless R2-D2? Similarly, expect the chess match between the scary, hairy Red Sox and the less hairy Yankees to end in the same result. Joe Torre is the better manager and just a better overall good guy. | Red Sox | ||
| 15) Matt Damon and Ben Affleck | Two huge Boston Red Sox fans. One word - "Gigli" - ranked one of the worst films of all time. Similarly, the Red Sox have experienced some of the worst let-downs in sports history. Bill Buckner anyone? | Red Sox | ||
| 16) Steven King | A huge Red Sox fan and #1 horror and evil book author of all time. Hey, guilt by association man. If this man loves evil, or at least being a huge fan of it, then by association, he is a fan of that Evil Empire known as the Red Sox. | Red Sox | ||
| 17) Yoda vs. Grady Little (Former Red Sox Manager) | Yoda - "There is no try!, Do or Do not!" Grady Little - (after losing to the Yankees in the heart-breaking Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS) "We tried the best we could" See the difference? | Red Sox | ||
| 18) NYC/Gotham/Metropolis | Superman, Batman, and Spiderman - all superheroes - work in NYC (aka NYC/Gotham/Metropolis). Sure that means there's a lot of evil and crime in NYC that they have to battle, but I suspect 95% of that crime is from those damn Boston Red Sox insurgents stirring trouble. | Red Sox | ||
| 19) Pedro #1 - Slams down 72 year old Don Zimmer | Pedro throws down an old man. If that's not the pinnacle of evil, I don't know what is. Granted, Zimmer shouldn't have charged at Pedro, but hey, that's after a fastball buzzed a Yankee's head and after Pedo pointed to his head just prior to that. Pedro could have saved face by simply side-stepping away from the slow moving Zimmer. It would have looked like a raging bull running towards a matador before the matador makes him miss and look really bad. Pedro could have even shoved him out of the way, but to forcefully throw him to the ground? That was classless. | Red Sox | ||
| 20) Pedro #2 - Record against the Yankees | One of the most dominant pitchers of all time is 10-11 against the Yankees. I can't recall if Pedro has ever beaten the Yankees in a big playoff game. He may have beaten Clemens in one playoff game, but I believe he still has a losing record or lots of "no decisions" in playoff games against the Yankees. | Red Sox | ||
| Pedro admits defeat and surrenders. Even his own teammates were ticked off at this statement. Good guys never give up PERIOD! Good guys, and indeed heroes triumph over evil against all odds. That's why the Yankees are my heroes. Even when they sucked for the most part in the 1980's, I never gave up hope they would win. | Red Sox | ||
| 22) Curt Shilling - "Why Not Us?" | Never ask why. Just believe with all your heart you're going to do it without any stupid motivational tricks like "Cowboy Up!" or "Why Not Us?" or what's that new one? "We're idiots"? | Red Sox | ||
| 23) John Henry vs. George Steinbrenner | To borrow a quote from John Kerry, "George Steinbrenner bought the past several championships, John Henry lost A-Rod, arguably the best player in baseball to the Yankees, which is worse?" I wonder if the Red Sox would be in better shape to beat the Yankees this year if they did spend the money to get A-Rod. Still, it's hard to argue in defense of Steinbrenner, even with all the championships, so Red Sox win this battle. | Yankees | ||
| 24) Star Wars Trilogy coincides with Yankee victories when the good guys win. | 1977 - Star Wars (Good Guys win-Destroy the Deathstar) - Yankees win 1977 World Series 1980 - Empire Strikes Back - Red Sox record 83-77. Yankee record - 103-59. Well, the Yankees beat the Red Sox record-wise this year, but neither won the championship. 1983 - Return of the Jedi (Good Guys win) - Yankees win 1983 World Series, well according to this MLB Remake link anyway: MLB Remake : ) Actually since that's a "remake" of baseball history, let's stick with the facts. Red Sox record - 78-84 (losing record), Yankees record - 91-71 So the Yankees coincide with 2 out of the 3 Star Wars movies. Can this be any clearer that the Yankees are the Jedis and the Red Sox are the Evil Empire? | Red Sox | ||
| 25) April 20, 1912 | Titanic sinks - History's greatest sea-faring tragedy of all time Fenway Park - First Opening Day at Fenway Park sets in motion history's greatest baseball tragedy of all time. | Red Sox | ||
| 26) Obi-wan and Babe Ruth | Obi-wan - one of the greatest Jedis of all-time dies, yet lives on to inspire Luke ("Use the Force, Luke") to defeat Darth Vader and the Evil Empire Babe Ruth - one of the greatest baseball players of all-time dies, yet his ghost (and curse) lives on to inspire the Yankees (Jeter whispered to none other than Aaron 'bleeping' Boone, "Don't worry, the ghosts will come out" when the Yankees were losing to Boston in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS) and the ghost of Babe Ruth has helped the Yankees defeat the Evil Empire (Red Sox) time and time again. | Red Sox | ||
27) Holy Roman Empire vs. Evil Empire | I believe the press has mischaracterized the Yankees as the Evil Empire when in fact, the Yankees are the Holy Roman Empire. You know, the Roman Empire that built roads, sewers, and had major architecture accomplishments and helped spread Christianity throughout the known world and lasted roughly 1,000 years followed soon after by the Middle Ages/Dark Ages. Well, I foresee a repeating of history with 1,000 years of Yankee dominance (which explains their 100 years of dominance so far), followed by the Dark Ages when evil will flourish, and when the Red Sox will finally win. So Red Sox fans, you'll have to wait until 2918 A.D. I'm glad I won't be around to see the day when The Empire Strikes Back. | Red Sox |
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Some of your stuff was pretty hilarious, other parts were OK.
I did not know that the Titanic sunk the same day the Red Sox opened Fenway Park. Wow, what a tragic coincidence. Maybe it should be called the Curse of the Titanic and not the Curse of the Babe?
You're an idiot. Red Sox rule!
Start revising - a rebuttal to most of your points (it's not that I don't dispute the rest of them, I just got bored):
1. Good doesn't always win - remember "The Empire Strikes Back?" Evil Empire: Draw.
2 & 3. The Sox aren't cursed; the Yankees are.
http://www.zacheverson.com/Op-Ed/Sports/real_curse_Bambino_Red_Sox.htm
Evil Empire: Yankees.
4. If the Empire's troops all look alike, they've got to be the Yanks (remember - you're talking about the teams here, not the cities). The Yanks have no facial hair, no crazy haircuts, etc. The Sox have Jesus, Abe Lincoln, and geri curls. Evil Empire: Yankees.
7. Sure, most of the Sox shaved their heads, but that was of their own free will. Like Vader, Yankee John Olerud has to always where a hard helmet or else he'll die. Evil empire: Yankees.
11. The Sox have higher ticket prices because they have a quant old stadium - think Millennium Falcon. Meanwhile the Yanks play 81 games a year in a stadium with the charm of the Death Star. Evil Empire: Yankees.
13. Steinbrenner's no patriot - the Yankees have a huge advantage in the half-inning after the lengthy delay caused by the singing of "God Bless America." Taking advantage of patriotism for personal gain: evil. Furthermore he's a convicted felon, also evil. Evil Empire: Yankees.
15 & 16. Fox showed Jack Nichloson sporting a Yankees hat at last night's game. Actors don't get more evil than Jack (Remember the golf clubs? Roman Polanski's hot tub?). Plus, he's stared in a Stephen King movie. Evil empire: Yankees.
19.Zimmer attacked Pedro who had done nothing to him - kinda like when Vader blew up a planet just because he could. Plus, Zimmer kinda looks like Jabba. Evil Empire: Yankees.
21. Obi-Wan admitted defeat when fighting Vader and surrendered for the good of the rebel alliance. That makes Pedro a Jedi knight. Evil Empire: Yankees.
Kind of pathetic that you have this much time during your free day to come up with a list like this...don't you think?
>>kind of pathetic that you have this much time during your free day to come up with a list like this...
No more pathetic than your reply. I'd expect a better retort from a Red Sox fan. In case your intelligence does not know what "retort" means, let me spell it out for you.. it means "comeback".
Say, you aren't that David Gershman meteorologist guy are you? Well regardless, you better hope for rain tonight. It's Boston's only chance.
Actually, it took about five minutes. We Red Sox fans are pretty smart.
>>Actually, it took about five minutes.
I was replying to dgersh's post not yours. His retort was pretty bad. (i.e. "Kind of pathetic that you have this much time during your free day to come up with a list like this...don't you think?")
Your reply on the other hand was pretty decent. Don't have time right now to reply in full, but I will say that your comment about Don Zimmer looking like Jabba the Hut was a good one! Nice! Looks like there are intelligent Red Sox fans after all.
Why thank you Tom. You're pretty damn smart yerself.
From a Sox fan's perspective, your list is clever and even quite funny. I particularly enjoy #15, since almost every Red Sox fan I know absolutely can't stand Ben Affleck, as an actor or the self-elected 'face of Red Sox nation'. However, I do take issue with some of #4.
By your rationale, does my upbringing in Vermont (99% caucasian) make me racist? I can safely say that I don't think being raised here made me any less enlightened than someone who grew up in New York City.
The Celtics, if I'm not mistaken, were the first NBA team to draft a black player (Chuck Cooper) and the first to hire a black coach (Bill Russell). I believe they were also the first team with an all-black starting five for a brief time in the 60s.
The Red Sox, I cannot explain, however. They were among the first teams to try out Jackie Robinson and supposedly turned him loose in a humiliating fashion. The Yawkey family was famous for favoring white players. They were a full generation before me and I realize that. But I don't think this typecasts ALL Boston fans as bigots, do you?
#13: I believe that since September 11th, MLB has all ballparks play God Bless America during the 7th Inning stretch on Sundays. I can't stand Steinbrenner or the Yankees, but I'm glad to see NY do it EVERY night. Give credit where it's due.
Adam,
Thanks for the even-handed and honest feedback. I am glad rational thought outweighed any Red Sox passion or emotion on your part. I know that must be extra hard to do for any seemingly endless suffering Red Sox fan.
I did not intend #4 to imply that Boston fans themselves were racist. I would never make generalizations about any large group of people. My point was rather that it seemed that the sport team owners in Boston seemed to favor white players over minorities.
Whether or not that is racism I do not claim to know. It could simply be that "back in the day", the owners wanted to pick players that they knew the predominantly white Boston area fans could identify more with. Therefore, the sport team owners could sell out more seats, make more money, etc. etc.
BTW,
Anyone notice the reaction of the fans when Hideki Matsui had a Pedro fastball buzz by his head? They cheered louder than at any point prior to that point in the game.
I know pitching inside is all a part of baseball, but c'mon. Cheering a head shot? I could understand it more if it was a cocky Yankee player like Sheffield up there or Giambi.. But Matsui? He's a class act.
I doubt you would ever see Yankee fans cheer a fastball thrown at a classy Red Sox player's head. When Wade Boggs used to play for the Red Sox and kill the Yankees with all his hits, I recall a few throws by Yankee pitchers near Wade Boggs' head, and never did the Yankees cheer.
Even when Roger pitched for the Yankees - a notorious inside pitcher, never do I remember the Yankees cheering when he missed and came closer to a player's head. You would always hear gasps and "ooos" and "ahhs" from Yankee fans in Yankee Stadium.
I will chalk this one up to the Red Sox fans just looking for anything to cheer for, since at the time they were down 3 games to 1 game. Since the series will not return to Fenway this year, it's hard to say if the fans would show more "class" if the series were tied or something.
Throwing a 90+MPH fastball at someone's head is not something to cheer about. Unless you've experienced getting hit in the head by a fastball and know what it feels like, you have no right to cheer.
Regardless of how the series turns out, I hope the Red Sox fans next year won't continue to cheer head-hunting, especially when it's Pedro pitching. If they do, I'll have to add it to my 27 Reasons why the Red Sox are the Evil Empire.
Sure was pretty classy the other night when the riot police were placed on Yankee field.
Good thing, as you say, evil empires never win.
BWAHAHAHA!!!
from Colleen - a classy bosox fan who actually admires the Yanks (esp. Torre) and loves when the two teams match up.
PS. Probably most Boston fans think the same thing, but we never openly admit it!
GO RED SOX!!!
Well done Boston Red Sox. You deserved to win Game 7, which I had the privilege to witness in person.
It's too bad Game 7 had to be the LEAST dramatic game of the entire series. Both teams and the both sets of fans deserved better. Even with the lopsided score, the Yankee fans didn't give up and were cheering loudly up until the 7th inning, so they showed a lot of heart. Unfortunately, all that cheering didn't seem to motivate the Yankees any. They hit more weak grounders than I've ever seen them hit in a playoff game.
Of course, Derek Lowe pitched a gem, so that had a lot to do with it. But it also hurt the Yankees that none of the hitters were patient from the first inning. The entire game, most of the Yankee hitters swung at either the first pitch or the 2nd pitch or both the first and 2nd pitch. I've never seen the Yankees so impatient or pressing so hard - even before they were down 4-0. Patient hitting and stretching the count is a trademark of this Yankee team.
The Red Sox on the other hand were patient from the 1st inning, and in the 2nd inning drew some walks (and a single if I recall) to load the bases. Then Damon broke his slump with the grand salami...
What was the deal with putting Pedro in? The score was 8-1 at that point and Lowe was pitching a gem. Francona had to know the Yankee fans would get new life and cheer "Who's your Daddy?", which "could have" helped the Yankees come back. Pedro was the LAST guy you want to put in with the score like that. Maybe if it was a close game, then Pedro can come in. But it did not make sense.
I heard on talk radio that Pedro wanted in the game so he could RUB it into the Yankees faces that they were losing. If that's true, that's pretty classless. I'm glad Pedro got knocked around and at least the game had some excitement when Pedro came in - the game was getting boring at that point.
So thank you Francona for giving the Yankees another chance to show Pedro "Who's your daddy" one more time... just one more small victory before the Yankees went quietly into that good night.
Again, congrats Red Sox fans and players. You both showed some heart in this series. Hard to say if I will be rooting for you to finally win one. I am beginning to feel some sympathy for the Red Sox fans. It would have been easier to cheer for you if the Yankees hadn't lost Game 5 and Game 6 the way they did. Just 1 inning away from going to the World Series in both games.
So so close... But isn't that what Red Sox fans have been saying since 1918? Well, guess we got a taste of what Red Sox fans have been enduring for 86 years and it's bitter...
anyone know where I can dl this trailer again to watch it?>
I have to say that I am from Boston and when I hear people like you talk about the Red sox like that it makes my blood boil. Boston is the best place on earth. In Boston it's okay to look like a wearwolf. In Boston we never give up, we kept faith for 86 years. I can't belive that you have the nerve to say all this stuff about the Red Sox when Yankees commited the biggest choke in baseball.Maybe you're such an angry indiviual because you never experinced a night at fenway cheering for the Red Sox. Go Bosox!
P.S. I'm glad that we didn't get A-rod because he sucks and he has a bubble butt. Varitek is my hero for hitting him in the face!
Let us critique yet another pathetic Red Sox fan retort, shall we?
>>Boston is the best place on earth.
That's a matter of opinion. Hate to burst your bubble, but Boston is not the center of the universe. I'm sure the other 5 billion residents on this planet might disagree with you.
>> In Boston we never give up, we kept faith for 86 years.
First, unless you are >86 years old (unlikely), don't put yourself in the same category as the Red Sox fans that have been waiting that long.
Secondly, waiting 86 years for a championship is not something to be proud of. Sure, it shows you're a bunch of sado-masochists, but that's about it. So what if the Red Sox took 500 years to win a championship? Would you still say "Well, we never EVER gave up. We had faith that one year we would do it!!!!"? C'mon don't be ridiculous. Be proud of your championship this year, but let's put this in perspective. It's one championship in 86 years.
be proud of 2004, but don't stand proud for 86 years of disappointment and heartbreak.
>>I can't belive that you have the nerve to say all this stuff about the Red Sox when Yankees commited the biggest choke in baseball.
Hey, something we agree on. But I'd rather have 1 super choke job in 1 year rather than be a Boston fan with 86 years of choking and spitting out my Boston pub beer as the Red Sox seemed to find new creative ways of chocking for the past 86 years..
It's like the choice between ripping off a bandaid real quick (1 year of pain from losing) vs. slowly peeling off a bandaid (86 years of pain from losing) I'll take the 1 year of pain anyday.
>>Maybe you're such an angry indiviual because you never experinced a night at fenway cheering for the Red Sox.
Actually I have been to Fenway 7 times. I'll give credit where credit is due. The Red Sox fans are some of the best fans in baseball. The energy in Fenway is great. Not as great as Yankee Stadium, but great nonetheless.
>>I'm glad that we didn't get A-rod because he sucks and he has a bubble butt.
Ok, I must be talking to a fifth-grader. First, I'm a guy, so I don't check out A-rod's butt. If you say so, ok. I look at a player's stats... Secondly, A-rod is one of the best players in baseball - he had a down year for sure, but certainly not in the "sucking" category.
>>Varitek is my hero for hitting him in the face!
Oh, I see how it is. I suppose Pedro was your hero for throwing down Zimmer and that lunatic Boston groundskeeper that started a fight in the bullpen against Yankee players is your hero too?
Tell Veritek to be a man next time and take off his face mask when he gets in a scuffle. He seemed to be a coward to me. Catchers always take their face mask off after a player has been beaned and the catcher will escort the player part way towards first place in case he charges the mound. Varitek knew he was going to go after A-rod and intentionally left his face mask on. That's plain cowardice.
Enjoy your 2004 championship. And if the Red Sox average continues, you only have to wait until 2090 for the next World Series championship.
If i find out who you are and i see you on the street i will kill you.
see that is what you call ENVY. When you get so enraged that you resort to violence with the drop of a pin. ENVY
It's sad to see Yankee fans resort to the immature rhetoric of "And if the Red Sox average continues, you only have to wait until 2090 for the next World Series championship."
THAT, my friend, is called envy.
As all of us Red Sox fans cheered on for our team last year, all you Yankee fans had to sit at home and sulk. Just let us enjoy our win, good God. Get over yourselves.
GO RED SOX!
Yankees all the way. I hate how red sox fans are always say we bought a championship. Well the red sox DID it. They had to trade there most popular player. So in winning they became there own worst foes. So they lie and they are hipocrates
Hippocrates was a greek physician who lived from 460-380 B.C., whose writings established the basis for modern medical practice. I believe he could throw a 96 mph fastball.
Yankees all the way. I hate how red sox fans are always say we bought a championship. Well the red sox DID it. They had to trade there most popular player. So in winning they became there own worst foes. So they lie and they are hipocrates
Bert Linert
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You used the Red Sox having less hair for your argument in #7 and then you used the Yankees being less hairy for your argument in # 14. Gonna have to get your stories straight buddy.
>>You used the Red Sox having less hair for your argument in #7 and then you used the Yankees being less hairy for your argument in # 14. Gonna have to get your stories straight buddy.
There's a terrible rebuttal. You call yourself a Red Sox fan? If you recall, in one year, the Red Sox shaved their heads to try and beat the Curse. They lost to the Yankees in Game 7 on Aaron Boone's home run.
The following year the Red Sox decided to let the hair grow back - but to the extreme. We're talking cave-men era hair - at least Johnny Damon. Of course the Red Sox won it all with their scraggly beards/goatees and long hair.
Point being, the Red Sox tried 2 gimmicks - no hair and too much hair. Just play friggin ball already and quite with the gimmicks.
What about the overwhelming payroll difference, or the Yankee arrogance? Whoever wrote this article has no baseball education whatsoever, and should actually watch a game and learn something! The Sox are more of a team then the Yankees will ever be!
>>What about the overwhelming payroll difference
Go read this page:
Red Sox Wiki
"For 2004, payroll was about $127 million, $57 million shy of the New York Yankees. In both of these years, the Red Sox had the second-highest total payroll in MLB"
Considering the Red Sox were the 2nd largest spender, I wouldn't call that an overwhelming payroll difference.
>>or the Yankee arrogance
Arrogant? Not these bunch of Yankees. Maybe past Yankee teams, but this was originally posted when the Yankees had these players:
Bernie Williams - not arrogant
Tino Martinez - not arrogant
Derek Jeter - not arrogant
Paul O'Neill - a fiery competitor, but not arrogant
Joe Torre - not arrogant
Jorge Posada - not arrogant
Mariano Rivera - quiet - certainly not arrogant
Mike Mussina - likeable guy, not arrogant
Andy Pettite - not arrogant
Roger Clemens - arrogant, but hey, he was originally a Red Sox, so he was already corrupted when we got him.
Gary Sheffield - arrogant. But he was only recently added in the 2004 season.
I could go on and on, but as you can see, the vast majority of the Yankees from 1996-2004 were not arrogant.
>>The Sox are more of a team then the Yankees will ever be!
Such a vague statement. Depends on the year. If you mean in the past 8 years, the Yankees have had the best team in baseball. They kept their core players (Jeter, Bernie, O'Neill, etc.) and won more games and got to the World Series more often in the last 6 years than any other team. Sounds to me like in the past 8 years that the Yankees are "more of a team" than the Red Sox.
RE: boston is predominately
you're an idiot:
http://www.curp.neu.edu/sitearchive/spotlight.asp?id=1430
regards,
JP
JP - I looked at the census link. It is true that Boston has changed a lot from its predominantly white/Caucasian days. However, the census points at the largest minority being Hispanics and not African Americans. So it must be that a vast majority of the 12 million illegal Mexicans moved to Boston.
Deport the Mexican illegals and Boston will once again be predominantly white. Not that I'm proposing such an idea. just sarcasm.
Minorities go where the jobs are. Obviously the large cities are a huge draw for anyone seeking a better life and more opportunity. Then when they become successful they move to the suburbs. Now if you look at any census for any major large city, (New York, Los Angeles, Miami, etc.) and compare it to Boston, Boston still has the largest white population by percentage. So my analysis still stands. Boston is more white than other large U.S. cities.
1) Your Right, good did finally triump over evil, that sort of thing does take time, frodod didn't just walk in his back yard to destroy the ring.
2) Curse? Nope!
3) Ok, i'm going to say that i do have time on my hands, what is your excuse for actully looking up B names that did Boston harm?
4) I think someone else already said that the yankee ball club (which is what is under inspection, not the city) is more like the stormtroopers because they are less able to have individuality. Ex. They have to have their hair a certain way, and their facial hair gone. Red sox had Damon who speaks for itself, and Arroyo who for some reason wanted corn rolls.
5) Yea, you can use the first two letters of his name and form Yoda. Or you can use his name, Yogi, and assume he steals picnic baskets, which despite being a lovable bear, is evil because he did not need that food.
6) Well, look at number 3 and 5.
7) They shaved their heads. Wow, i'm not saying it was a good idea or a bad idea. But at least they could do it... yankees not so fortunate.
8) & 9) Really irrevelant to your whole argument, you were just trying to twist the perverbial sword into red sox hearts.
10) Now, you say the red sox are Red, and White. One could say good tasting wine that has a nice age to it. Black and Blue wine, probalby not so good. Your Reasoning serves no justice. How about thie, the yankees have no red in their clothing, the red sox are Red, White, And Blue... If you want to play the patriotic card, play by the rules. Don't discard facts.
11) Actually, what i am going to say could spark another debate but just bear with me. Red Sox received more revenue because more fans went to the games, now i do not have stats nor do i care to look them up at this juncture. But maybe you have heard of supply and demand. The tickets are demanded, but there is no more supply. Ticket prices increase. This money goes to keeping the oldest stadium intact. I do not know what they do with the rest of the money, but i sincerely beleive some of it goes to the many charities that boston has rather than spending it on already rich players.
12) I would never choose Kerry to represent the Red Sox. You had the option of choosing a "Super Fan". Well i choose Stephen King, Boston "Super Fan".
13) So it took September 11th for his Patriotism to show? We have out traditions too, like "Sweet Caroline". Which has been going on befor eSeptember 11th.
14) Your argument here is out of this world. Seriously. You compared chewbacca to Damon. Ok, now let's put aside that he is now a yankee, for your argument you are saying Damon(hairy) is a good guy beacause chewbacca was a good guy. Chewbacca was an excellent shot with his blaster crossbow, damon did not have the best era, but he was a good shot. Oh, and i do not know why Joe torre was mentioned in this argument, unless you are saying he is like R2-D2, a robot used by others to carry out commands.
15) Who said being a red sox fan means you have to like matt damon and Ben Affleck. They are accomplished actors, but they do not make Boston evil because they are fans, geez.
16) Stephen King is good writer. He writes supernatural thrillers, and he even wrote a book about the red sox, which was not of said genre. Saying that red sox are evil because of King being a fan is like saying the yankees are evil becasue rappers and gangs wear yankees clothing.
17) I do not know what else he could say at that moment. "We did not do it", he could not say that becasue that would be wrong. They did all they could do, it just did not work out for them in the end. "We did it, but we did not do it." That jus tsounds stupid, to say that we tried was all he could say in that moment because there was nothing else to say.
18) Have you ever read the comics or saw the movies? These villains were home bred in NYC. Plus, i think the Boondock Saints took care of the Boston Villains.
19) Irrelevent, you were correct at Zimmer Charged him, he could have stayed on the bench.
20) So just because a pitcher has a losing record against a certain team makes the pitchers team evil... well we should compile a list of ALL the Evil TEAMS then.
21) OK, he surrendred, so did Obi-Wan when he knew we was defeated. The good knows when to admit defeat. Oh, and Red Sox fans took the WHo's Your Daddy Chant away from the Yankee's. Let's see you try to take "Yankee's Suck" chants away.
22) Good guys have certain ways to get themselves ready. So what if Millar wanted to Cowboy UP! Let him. You don't see yankees wit rituals. Maybe it's part of their contract...
23) Well, i have no comment.
24) Wow, um... they do not coincide, if we remember it was A Long Time Ago, In a Galaxy Far, Far Away. But let's stick with movies. 1977- Annie Hall, woody allen plays a neurotic New Yorker. 1980- Raging Bull, Raging New Yorker. (Hell of a boxer, but crazy) 1983- Scarface, Rose to power,(Yankees winning) then lost it, rest of 1980's were not as sweet.
25) Well, that day the Yankee's lost. Bram Stoker died, so by your standards of writers and baseball would make the yankees evil. Oh, and Tiger stadium opened. So your comment on making the red sox evil, would also make them evil.
26) Babe's spirit may have been with Boone, but Ted Williams was with the entire red sox ball club in 2004.
27) The Holy Roman Empire (HRE). Weren't they an evil empire? Who is to say forcing christianity onto people is evil or not? Well, the nazi's tried to force their belief on the Jewish people. That didn't work out so well. The Empire (Star Wars) tried to FORCE everyone into their persuasion. The rebels say let them believe what they want and there is also no reason to conform. Let's see, all Yankee's have to conform. Evil isn't it?
>>1) Your Right, good did finally triump over evil, that sort of thing does take time, frodod didn't just walk in his back yard to destroy the ring.
It didn't take Frodo 86 years to destroy the evil ring. He's probably be dead if it took him that long - kinda like 95% of all Boston fans that ever lived and died without seeing them finally win a championship.
>>2) Curse? Nope!
Guess 86 years of not winning it and having last minute heartbreaks doesn't qualify? No one can prove the existence of curses, so the curse really is just a light-hearted jab at Red Sox fans. They broke the curse in 2004 anyway.
>>3) ..what is your excuse for actully looking up B names that did Boston harm?
I didn't have to look it up. It's a popular T-Shirt at any Yankees game. Boston is/was cursed and it appeared that any Yankee with the same initial as the town of Boston would break the heart of Red Sox fans almost every time Boston got close to winning a pennant. This post is meant to be light-hearted, not taken literally, cut me some slack.
>>10) the yankees have no red in their clothing, the red sox are Red, White, And Blue... If you want to play the patriotic card, play by the rules.
True, the Yankees have no red on their uniform at the start of the game. But if you watch Derek Jeter play, diving into the stands or sliding into 3rd base, you'd know he's bloodied his uniform several times. Same with Paul O'Neill and other Yankees. So their blood on their uniforms completes the patriotism.
>>11) but i sincerely beleive some of it goes to the many charities that boston has rather than spending it on already rich players.
I was respecting your opinion until I read this. You are so naive! I won't dispel your "belief"/myth as not to hurt your feelings.
>>12) I would never choose Kerry to represent the Red Sox. You had the option of choosing a "Super Fan". Well i choose Stephen King, Boston "Super Fan".
Hey, we agree on Kerry at least. But I wouldn't necessarily choose Stephen King as the Red Sox fan. As I mentioned, he is the "King of Horror", just like watching the Red Sox for the past ~86 years was "horrific" for Red Sox fans - until 2004.
>>13) So it took September 11th for his Patriotism to show? We have out traditions too, like "Sweet Caroline". Which has been going on befor eSeptember 11th.
Actually, George gave free tickets to servicemen/woman BEFORE Sept 11th. What the heck does a Neil Diamond sone have to do with patriotism? You're mixing tradition with patriotism. Too separate animals.
14) Damon/Chewbacca analogy
I stick by what I wrote. Chewy was beat in chess by the hairless R2-D2 which I was equating to the Yankees/Joe Torre.
>>15) Who said being a red sox fan means you have to like matt damon and Ben Affleck. They are accomplished actors, but they do not make Boston evil because they are fans, geez.
This whole post was to poke fun at the Red Sox being the Evil Empire in response to the Yankees being equated to the Evil Empire since they won 26 World Championships. Its like the Nazis. Sure, there were plenty of good Germans in Germany at the time, but it's guilt by association. Same with the Red Sox team. If they are associated with liberal nutty actors, then guilt by association man!
>>18) Have you ever read the comics or saw the movies? These villains were home bred in NYC.
Answer: Transported Bostonians. Regardless, the super heroes are always based in NYC. Therefore, the Yankees are the true super heroes and the good guys.
>>20) So just because a pitcher has a losing record against a certain team makes the pitchers team evil.
Pedro is an assh-le. I wish he was still with Boston so we could still cheer "Whose your Daddy?"
>>21) OK, he (Pedro) surrendred, so did Obi-Wan when he knew we was defeated.
Wait a minute. Back up here. You're admitting that Pedro surrendered to the Yankees? wow, finally some honesty. But you're making it sound like it was OK to give up. You don't give up in sports. You never let your opponent know they got the best of you. That's a sign of weakness.
As far as Obi-Wan surrendering, you're an idiot. Obi-Wan never surrendered. It was a draw in the light saber battle between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was simply stalling for time to allow Luke, Han Solo, and Princess Leia to escape. He sacrificed himself to save his friends. Also, he knew his destiny was to die and become more powerful:
"You can't win Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
He said Darth couldn't win. Seems pretty clear to me he didn't give up. Sheesh, you can't even understand the complexity and nuance of Obi-Wan's sacrifice in one of the most famous death scenes of all time. Sad...
>>22) Millar wanted to Cowboy UP! Let him. You don't see yankees wit rituals. Maybe it's part of their contract...
Yankees don't need voodoo or satanic rituals. God already blessed the Yankees with 26 championships and cursed the Red Sox for 86 years. Thanks, you just gave me yet another reason the Red Sox are evil. They perform rituals to pagan or satanic gods to try and win. These are banned in the Bible.
>>26) Babe's spirit may have been with Boone, but Ted Williams was with the entire red sox ball club in 2004.
No he wasn't. Ted Williams' head was somewhere else in some frozen cryogenic liquid where his soul is trapped forever.
>>27) The Holy Roman Empire (HRE). Weren't they an evil empire?
It's relative. Back then just about every empire had its evil doings - the question is was the Roman Empire overall good for the development of hunanity. Yes, they conquered lands, but they also unified things and brought order to a chaotic world. Also, the Roman Empire built roads, irrigation systems, invented many tools, developed science, and helped bring us to the Modern Era. The lions in the Coliseum weren't fun I'm sure, but overall we wouldn't be where we are today if not for the 1,000 years or so of the Roman Empire's rule.
>>Well, that day the Yankee's lost. Bram Stoker died, so by your standards of writers and baseball would make the yankees evil.
Yes, but it was Opening Day for the Red Sox when the Titanic sank. A much more significant tie-in.
I didn't address all your points since you obviously took me way too literally. This post was meant to be humorous. I can see why a Red Sox fan wouldn't find it funny - it hits too close too home.
I thought the video was hilarious depicting the yanks as the evil empire and the redsox as the rebels..im a huge yanks fan but i loved the vedio .. does anyone have the video ? if so please send me the lnk thanks...will